Genographic Update: WOAH!!!


Yes, folks, this is my map and I’m rather baffled by it to say the least. We have documented family history on my mother’s side that goes back at least 500 years which clearly points at Great Britain. Yet, looking at this map, it would appear my most recent ancestral markers (at 15,0000 years), from haplogroup X, were possible Ojibwa or Sioux. Hmmmm…

So there are four possible reasons for the confusion…that I can think of. One, is that I got someone else’s DNA results. Two, is that someone on my mom’s side came to the America’s, married a First Nation’s person, and took them back to England. Three, my mom is completely unaware of her background (possibly the milkman was involved – which actually doesn’t make any sense because we can only follow the X chromosome). Or four, the DNA in my cheek was from something I ate rather than my own, possibly a cow who’s DNA markers lead directly back to the Great Lakes Region of North America. (just kidding)

What am I going to do? Well, I’m going to do the test again or ask my sister to. I can’t just let this one drop. My jaw already dropped and hit the floor so I have to pick it up and look further into this. I mean, seriously, I thought my map would be very basic – out of Africa, through Europe, and stopping at Britain. But NOOOOO! Of course, I’m pretty sure I still have roots that are very ingrained in Britain – just look at me – but it’s rather thrilling to see this new information because it’s so different from what I imagined. Shall keep you posted (whether you care or not). 😀

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19 thoughts on “Genographic Update: WOAH!!!

  1. You probably do not have any Native American DNA. Although that in many parts of the USA south of you is quite common. As intermarriage was not unusual, between European Immigrants and Native Americans. I suspect the fact that none of this gene map is anywhere near Europe though seems to point towards the test being done incorrectly.

    However it is also likely that perhaps British genes are not mapped due to them being so complicated and mixed. The white population of Britain has never had a semblance of ethnic purity. We have always been a hybrid of Norman/Saxon/Viking/Celtic since Medieval times. More recently Irish, Polish, Indian and African genes have all been added. Your best bet would be perhaps if you could trace ancestry to a rural part of Scotland, Wales or maybe Cornwall. But if your ancestors were from an English market town you could genetically be anything!

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    1. Hi Paul! Thanks for your ideas. I agree that there is quite a menagerie of genes out there. lol! However, I have seen some maps that do a direct path out of Africa, through Europe, and into Great Britain. So it’s not out of the realm of possibility. I would have been far less surprised if I’d had Viking ancestry but Native American just kind of blew me out of the water. No one has ever mentioned it. Anyway, I’ll see what happens when I do the test again. If it comes out the same, I’ll just have to accept that it’s my history no matter how bizarre it seems! 🙂

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  2. How exciting!!! Please tell me exactly how you did that, through what company or institution … I am very much tempted to copy you and find out more about my own background. So far, from my paternal side, I know only that I am 3rd, maybe even 4th generation Bavarian/from Munich, Germany!

    How much did you have to spend to get this test done?

    For you … WOW – to possible have native American DNA – that is fascinating! I am always for diversity … and it doesn’t get much more diverse that that!

    Doesn’t that prove once and for all we are all, in basics, the same? Our backgrounds in one way or the other intertwined? Distant brothers and sisters so to say? And still – there are these ignorants who think they are “better” or “more important” … morons!

    FANTASTIC Isobel … I love it!!
    🙂

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    1. Yes, you’re right, Karin, it’s amazing how people can be so blind to the realities of the world. But then, we already knew that didn’t we? Luckily there are some who want to know, to investigate and to share.

      I wrote an earlier post where I explained the process of the Genographic Project and how to get the kit, etc. Go to “Tracing our Human History” (https://suffonsifisms.wordpress.com/2010/02/04/tracing-our-human-journey/) and it should answer all of your questions. If not, send me a quick email and let me know what else you need. I can’t wait to hear about your results! 🙂

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  3. Keep us posted! I care!
    😀
    You DNA has traveled quite a bit. It’s fascinating. Whether you are bafled by the results or not. I guess the second test, aliong with your sister’s, may be much more clearer than this one.
    Have a great weekend.
    Saludos.

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  4. OK, your results are

    totally
    surprising.

    I hope a mistake wasn’t made, then that makes things way more interesting, IMHO. That would be a totally interesting project – solving such a mystery would be a totally fun project! :-).

    Mine was a bit of a surprise to me – not so big as yours though. Given the fact that I’m Greek, my Haplogroup is R1b, M343 (Subclade R1b1b2, M269). According to Genographic:

    “Today, roughly 70 percent of the men in southern England belong to haplogroup R1b. In parts of Spain and Ireland, that number exceeds 90 percent.”

    According to Wikipedia, only 15% of Greek men belong to this haplogroup, and they’re mostly in Norther Greece.

    WOW, your “Mitochondrial Eve” is way older than my “Eurasion Adam”who’s dated somewhere between 31,000 and 79,000 years ago. I guess my Adam didn’t “know” your Eve. 🙂

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    1. Or the Mitochontrial Eve was a serious cougar!! lol! That’s interesting about your results. I wonder how many people got results they expected? I really hope I can convince my sister to participate. I really need to know now!!

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    2. Brigand, I just saw your e-mail. I too am a Greek with your Haplogroup and my immediate family hails from southern Greece. When you stop and consider that the Greek peninsula has been invaded by a host of people, including Franks, Venetians, Normans, etc., it’s not all that surprising that our haplogroup is what it is. All it takes is one randy Frank or Norman to bed down with a nice Greek girl and all of a sudden you have a new haplogroup introduced.

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  5. Wow.. looks like you come from a very adventurous background! It would defintely be interesting if the test was repeated or as you suggested get another family member to do this. Until then I wouldn’t buy it 🙂

    What do the lines, x’s, and L’s represent?

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    1. Yes, Omar, I don’t mind being the guinea pig. 🙂

      L1, L2. L3, N, and X are all what they call haplogroups. This is the basic definition from Wikipedia: In the study of molecular evolution, a haplogroup (from the Greek: ἁπλοῦς, haploûs, “onefold, single, simple”) is a group of similar haplotypes that share a common ancestor with a single nucleotide polymorphism (SNP) mutation. In other words, X (which is my haplogroup) is an evolutionary mutation of the preceding haplogroups. Mutations would have taken places over thousands of years as these groups migrated and adjusted to their locations. If you want to know more, see the Genographic website. It has a pretty detailed explanation of haplogroups.

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  6. One thing of interest I noticed about the map. 
    A great grandma of yours, on her way out of Africa, passed very close by Tartous 🙂
    This is of course the path everyone took except those early humans who remained and spread in  Africa. 
    It makes a lot of sense for your sister, rather than you again, to take the test. It will validate one of 2 points. 
    Your result was indeed yours and not a mistake. 
    The test is guesswork and has no scientific significance.
     
    The first probability will only confirm that NG used an acceptable testing method but still does not prove  the “correctness” of either their data or their findings. 
    To be the descendent of a Sioux Princess should not be ruled out though. It’s not only possible but could very much be the simple truth. 

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    1. My 10,000+ greats grandma was probably rather Neanderthal looking when she went through Tartous…but still she was definitely nearby! I hope the test will prove right and then I can continue to look into my history from that standpoint which I find fascinating. We shall see.

      Sioux Princess, eh? Hmmm…technically, I don’t think they had princesses but maybe the chief’s daughter. lol! One never knows but probably never will. It’s hard to trace back names to 15, 000 years ago. 🙂

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  7. I concur with Abu Fares, I am glad you passed by Syria on your long journey!

    If it’s cow’s DNA then damn that’s one heck of a tourist cow LOL!

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    1. 😀 Can’t you see Bessie with her floppy hat, sunglasses, and suitcase travelling the tundras of Siberia, finally making it to the Americas and deciding the green grasses there were like paradise?

      *stops to ponder the evolution of cows*

      Thanks for the laugh, KJ!

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    1. Hi Osama. No, I haven’t yet. I’d really like my sister to do it…so I’m waiting for her. I promise to post results when I get them. 🙂 Thanks for dropping by.

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  8. Haplogroup X is also associated with one of the lost tribes of Israel (the tweleve sons of Jacob in the bible). Around 800 b.c. some were taken captive and since then they’ve all been scattered around the world. I think that I read somewhere that X is associated with the tribe of Zebulon. Some of them come to europe with Judah (jews) and a few other tribes. Others came to America and intermarried with native americans. Technically, haplogroup x isn’t a native american haplogroup (like haplogroups a,b,c, etc.). Its orgins are west eurasian. Haplogroup X is also found among the Druze who also claim to be one of the lost tribes of the bible.

    Also, do you know your blood type or rh status? Another hebrew marker is rh negative blood (A- , B-, AB-, O-) which can be found in small amounts around the world in the places the lost tribes were scattered. Well, I hope this helps. I’m sure this all sounds foreign, so I suggest you pray and ask GOD for more revelation.

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